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Forgotten small villages ignored by every provider.

#1
So some of the larger villages in the area are to have high speed broadband. But what about the small villages such as the one I live in, with only ±50 properties? We are still the forgotten "rural inhabitants".
I have a son living in Hong Kong who has 100 Kbps, with phone, internet and media all on the one line.
When is England going to get a universal fast internet, or are we to descend into a 3rd class nation, unable to compete with other countries?
John Spencer
#2
Totally agree John.
Our small village near Holbeach, seems to piggy-back the 1-2 meg broadband supplied to the local school; sadly we're down to half a meg now because of the school summer holidays. I presume BT pulled the plug at the Holbeach exchange?
It doesn't make it any better to know that people are still on dial-up either!
It's getting increasingly frustrating to do anything on-line.
Lorna Edmonds
Hornbeam Project Cost Management Software
#3
I live in South Kyme, between Boston and Sleaford. I get between 1 & 2 mbps and recently had as high as 2.5mbps. For no obvious reason it drops to around 500kbps. I Tweet @btcare with my complaints and so far they've got my speed back pretty quickly.
#4
Regarding the post from Lorna. We've done some enquiring about this and the organisation body that supplies broadband service to schools doesn't believe there is any connection with the problems you're experiencing and the school's service. I would suggest following up with BT and hopefully you will get some results soon.

Jenny Evans
Onlincolnshire Team
#5
Thanks Peter and Jenny.
I looked at btcare, and it only caters for those who have bt as their IP, which I don't!
If I ask my IP to look into it, they tell me that BT are responsible for the Exchange and Broadband speed, and if I ask BT they tell me it's my IP's responsibility!
I now have reports from a business neighbour who has also found that the BB speed has dropped since the school closed.
Guess we'll have to ride it out until the little darlings go back to school; then I'll be able to report back to you all.
In the meantime, I might as well have gone on holiday with the schools and closed my business!
I still agree with John's sentiments.
Regards,
Lorna
#6
Hi Lorna

this is really odd - the schools run on a separate network to the one that consumers use via BT etc so there shouldn't be any crossover at all... it will be really interesting to see if the situation does improve when the kids get back!

In the meantime, as I bet it's really frustrating for you and your neigbour, you MIGHT be able to get some improvement in the speed you get if you try the things suggested on this link (you might have to cut and paste it)

http://www.onlincolnshire.org/How-we-can-help/Residents/Self-Help-Guides/How-to-improve-your-broadband-speed   

Best of luck

John
#7
Thanks John,
There's a lot of information in the link you provided, so I'll check all the details and see if any help.
Regards, Lorna
#8
Does anyone know how the council intends to spend the millions it was recently allocated for broadband?

We live and work in a hamlet that cannot get fast broadband because of the poor facilities at the BT exchange at Bassingham. We are only about a mile from the A46, but we may as well be on the moon for the good it does us. Our work is severely affected, to the point that we are unable to compete for certain contracts for which we would eagerly bid otherwise. In our village there are many limited companies, all of them struggling to get online and stay online. I am waiting minutes, not seconds, for ordinary web pages to load, as I used to with a 2400 modem in 1995!

Is there any light at the end of the tunnel? Even the 2mbps touted here is derisory. We need a truly fast broadband connection, and with 2mbps we would notice almost no significant improvement.

Although it is important for there to be equality on the domestic front, too, I would hope that in the first instance priority might be given to businesses which need fast internet for their survival. Downloading or watching stuff at home is a luxury. Keeping a company going is an absolute necessity.

All news welcome. Thanks.

Ali

#9
Hi Ali

First, apologies that your post was not showing until today - there was a technical problem when posting in that we weren't getting the notifications that there were new posts - so they weren't being approved and put online. That's all fixed now.

I've looked at the distance you are from the Bassingham exchange and you're almost 3 miles away. In the hamlet where you are, you do fall within a 'not-spot' area, which are the areas the money from the government was granted for as part of a national programme to ensure that 90 percent of homes and businesses have access to broadband faster than 2Mbps.

We are in the process of finalising our plans for the relevant government department (BDUK) and hopefully that will be achieved within the next couple of months. Once these have been approved by BDUK we will be in a much better position to provide everyone with a clearer plan for the proposed project.

We will keep everyone updated on the progress of the plan and project - and if there are any other solutions to help you and your business achieve faster internet, we will of course let you know.

Thanks,
Jenny
Onlincolnshire Team

#10
I live in Cranwell village and for some reason best known to BT the Cranwell exchange is within the boundaries of the RAF College, so not only do we get a poor speed of less than 2Mbps if there is a fault BT have to go through the RAF security system to access their equipment!!

I have just been speaking to a friend who is touring Arizona in a motor home and she had 8 Mbps on her laptop in the desert miles from anywhere, and we get less then 2 a couple of miles from the exchange here.

The licences issued to providers should have been like the Royal Mail, cover everywhere or else!!

Why do we have to pay the same rate for apoor service as people do for 20 megs?
#11
I agree with Vernon, the service provided by BT to the village is Rubbish. BT seems to have a serious problem at Cranwell. You can see Open Reach vans nearly every day. My telephone line has its ups and downs and I have never managed 1.2Meg yet. The only solution is for BT to run new fibre connections which would save them a lot of money on their repair teams.
#12
Osgodby also seems to be forgotten in this age of modern techknowledgy. There are many people here with businesses and residents who are dying to make use of faster broadband. There is a fibre optic cable in the village and we are trying to make use of it! If anyone is successful in gaining a faster broadband please let us all know! Bryan
#13
BT seems to be a major culprit and operates a broadband system which is both unfair and unjust, and with disparities in speed which are simply unacceptable. I'm an author with a 2,500 page web-site which I administered with ease in Chesterfield. Last year I retired to Spridlington, but wanted to continue with my web-site as a hobby; this is virtually impossible with a download speed generally less than 1 meg and an upload speed of less than 400kbps - and yet I'm paying BT the same £20 per month for `unlimited' broadband that I was paying in Chesterfield! Surely it's time for some `authority' to lobby for legislation to stop this robbery? Why should those getting such abyssmal speeds pay the same as those lucky people getting 20meg - and more?
#14
Following Neil Atkin's comment: I too live in Spridlington and there are many in the village who work part-time or run major operations from home. These range from small enterprises to very large agricultural and other businesses.  The poor download speeds and pathetic upload speeds make this very difficult.  In addition, local public transport is usually one bus before 8am and one back to the village after 6pm in college termtime and this doesn't operate in holidays! Some residents need good broadband connections to have access to a whole range of services such as  repeat prescriptions, shopping, banking, local government sites etc as well as for social interaction, family contacts, entertainment and education.

The demand is here in this small community which deserves a better service by optic fibre as the tree-lined village is not suitable for wireless broadband.
#15
1 meg AND a bus service - luxury!  The 40 or so householders in Brandon (NG32) dream of 1 meg. We're lucky to get a consistent 0.5meg, and that's assuming its dry and there's no pigeons sat on the line.  And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
#16
Good to hear that funds are available but would like to know if improvements are proposed for Bonby.There is no fibre optic cable in our village which has 250+ properties the vast majority needing broadband. At present most of this is provided by SKY using a B.T. telephone line. A lot of our residents run buisnesses from home and the present broadband service just isnt fast enough.Most fibre optic suppliers provide 20meg or above for around £7.50 per month. We have no option but to pay for a far inferior speed of about 1.5meg if were lucky and the cost of mine through sky being £17.50 per month.Yes we live in our beautiful rural location by choice admittedly but why do we have to endure a far slower service at a far greater cost. Time we werent fogotten as a minority and given a faster service or at the least not penalised by the price we pay!
#17
Garry

Your area is in North Lincolnshire and they have, along with North East Lincolnshire, been allocated their own pot of money from BDUK. Onlincolnshire, which is a project funded through Lincolnshire County Council, has been allocated money for Lincolnshire county only.

North Lincolnshire's main point of contact for their BDUK Project is John Bullivent and he can be contacted at john.bullivent@northlincs.gov.uk or 077 1758 8206.

Thank you
Jenny

Onlincolnshire Team

#18
I live in Welby, 5 miles from Grantham but in the Lovedon (01400) exchange. Speeds are pathetic, when the wind gets up the line goes down and today BT advise price increases. We have no choice in that not one provider offers a speed based tariff. It isn't right and it simply isn't fair. Does anybody know where the added funds are going to be spent in the county and what process will be used to decide who benefits and who doesn't?
#19
The story in all these posts is familiar to me.  I live in a village, also on the Loveden exchange (01400).  

Although I could (int the past now) get ADSL, the Long Bennington exchange is 8km (5.5miles) from us, and the up to 8Mbps (ADSLMax) allows me to synchronise at 1,240kbps.  But my main problem was the normal download speeds varying between 25kbps (down to dial up) and 300kbps that gave me a file download speed at best of 75kbps.  But, mostly down to below 50kbps.

After months I cancelled my ADSL and telephone line (2 landlines to the house).  I replaced the ADSL over three months ago with 2 way satellite.  Now I get 8.2Mbps down and 2Mbps up with no sign of contention.  I can use VOIP (Skype) with no restrictions, but the latency (837ms) will prevent gaming.

For a 6Mbps down, 1Mbps up link the fee is £24.99 from my satellite ISP provider.  Equipment install (contractor for me) and equipment costs (bought) cost me a further £320.

Compared the ADSL speeds I am now like a pig in a muddy place.  The only downside I see is for people that do a lot of file downloading, as the AUP can be restrictive.
#20
What is the point of moaning about your broadband on this site?  Start asking Lincolnshire online when they will actually spend some of the money on improving the broadband service ANYWHERE in the county.  You will find that there is no money actually available to spend.  It is all spin.  The allocation to Lincolnshire - with its headline grabbing numbers - is not actually available.  Start asking why not!
#21
Please see my posted answer here http://www.onlincolnshire.org/forum?ThreadID=42

Thanks
Jenny
#22
HI, I just read the thread and share the degree of despair. I have today received a response from my MP Nick Boles to my complaint about speeds. He has started meetings with BT who have declared there is no plan to upgrade Loveden, and certainly not in the package to be done by 2015. Nick tells me our only hope is in the £14.3M package. So, how do we get into the decision making process to ensure a transparent and fair process is adopted that gives the maximum benefit.
#23
We are aware of the poor broadband speeds in this area. However, by 2015 it is the current government's aim that the whole of the UK should have access to a minimum 2MB connection and that superfast broadband should be available to 90% of the country. Lincolnshire will be operating within those targets and timeframes but until we go to procurement, hopefully in mid 2012, we cannot, unfortunately begin to offer any indication as to which parts of the county will immediately see the improved services.

Onlincolnshire Team
#24
Jenny, thanks you for responding but I cannot see from your response any details of the process the decision makers will be going through to determine who is in or out and what villages need to do to make sure their voice is heard. Given that the Loveden exchange covers a very wide area would it be necessary for all villages to fight their corner individually or will any improvements be "exchange wide"? I think that if Onlincolnshire wants support we need to understand what/who are the controlling factors given that we know our exchange is not part of BT's upgrade plans.
#25
The aim of Lincolnshire's broadband plan is to achieve superfast broadband (25-30mbps) across as much of rural Lincolnshire as possible, and for all areas to have a minimum of 2mbps. Once BDUK approve our plans, we will run an open competition (procurement). Suppliers will be asked to put forward solutions to achieve the aim across rural Lincolnshire, using the public funds available as well as their own investment. Evidence of demand from the Onlincolnshire registrations will influence the plans that suppliers put forward. The greater the demand, the greater the likelihood of suppliers investing in an area and achieving more for residents and businesses as a whole.

You are right to point out that there will be many decisions to be made, once we reach the open competition stage. At present our focus is on maximising registrations, in order to convince suppliers of demand.

Onlincolnshire Team
#26
We at LINPOP are rolling out a proper braod band service in Lincolnshire see the web site www.linpop.co.uk.
We currently are targeting the North Lincolnshire and Trent Valley regions with new customer joining every day.
We have had a fantastic response from our new customers and existing customer.
Check out the web site and register your interest, we are looking for areas that there are sufficient groups of people that need good quality bradband so that we can selelct the most active areas to get going - in the 20 1st century!!

Dr Vaughan Kitchin
#27
The good people of rural Lincolnshire do not have to put up with .5Mbps!

There are few companies out there who can help...take Ashby de la Launde for example.

Fi:Wi is now a highly viable alternative to paying for a copper/aluminium line AND a poor ADSL broadband service!

It's upto the communities to act to find these companies, demand their services and to get it done.

I was at a meeting in Scothern on Wednesday where over 120 residents attended demanding better broadband from a company proven to deliver.

Become a pioneer, make things happen because BT won't do it for you without billions of pounds of our money!
#28
Rural 10M Broadband, fast and reliable.  Buffering is now a word of the past.  Thank you LINPOP

Regards

James Powell
(Ingham)
#29
Hi Jenny,
Further to your comment on 27 October: why can you not "go to procurement" now?  Surely it is perfectly acceptable to get suppliers to start bidding for contracts even if you have not yet had BDUK sign off of your funds.  Everyone at LCC, including Martin Hill, is completely confident the funds will be there so why can't you start the process until "mid 2012"?  Why does everything (including the broadband!) have to go slow slowly?
Peter
#30
When is LCC going to share its outline plans with us? For instance are suppliers going to asked to compete for packages by area, village or exchange?Unless that becomes public knowledge any village working hard to get registrations logged could be simply wasting its time.
That would allow the process to be fast tracked and allow suppliers to start the bidding process. If procurement starts mid-2012 lord only knows when it will become effective.
#31
Fully agree.
My local village hall (Irby & Bratoft, postcode PE24 5DQ) already runs an amazingly successful Computer Club 2 full days a week with snail-like broadband and would dearly love to expand - the need is there.
My husband can't set up website for his livery stables because we simply can't get broadband at home and dial-up is so erratic now.
The more rural you are, the nmore you need the faster broadband - common sense isn't it! - but we will no doubt be the last in the line, as usual. Why?
#32
Linpop has 100% high speed broadband cover of East Firsby by the A15 and is already supplying customers in Spridlington, Wickenby airfield businesses and other villages in the area between the A15 and the west side of the Wolds. Linpop is supplying customers in Fillingham, Cameringham, Glentham, Kexby and other homes and business in the area covered by the Ingham, Hemswell and Lissington Masts. Market Rasen in expected to be operational in a couple of weeks. Checkout the Linpop.co.uk web site or ring 01427 667102 and arrange for a survey and installation and get on line.

Dr Vaughan Kitchin
#33
Here we go again £100m to be spent on cities that already have high speed bb to make them even faster.

I lived on a remote lake in Ontario and we had perfectly adequate bb about 5 times faster than what I get in Cranwell Village not far from the famous RAF College.  I bet they don't have to put up with 1.5 megs and worse!!

#34
It is fine that there are 'independent' providers that supplie wireless broadband to rural areas, but £30 a month is too much for domestic use.

Yet again rural villages are paying a premium for services provide to the town and cities at a lower price.

BT should be held to account and be made to upgrade its rural exchanges so that users can receive a reasonable broadband service.
#35
I live in a field between Hainton and Legsby (LN8 6LT). My telephone cable is 2m from the road and has been chewed by rabbits. No dial up as BT 'guarantee voice but not data'. How will I ever get any broadband, as what is required is for the cable to be replaced and as there are only 3 houses down here we can't afford to pay for this? Answers on a postcard please?
Jane Rushby - trying to run a small business....
#36
LINPOP rollout scheme is now well underway and the villages between the Wolds and the Trent are now being serviced, covering many of the WLDC villages.
services from 10M to 100M are available, starting at 29.50 for the domestic users.
Dr Vaughan Kitchin
#37
I have very poor broadband speed where I live near Hagworthingham. I have spent many hours trying to get to the bottom of the problem: it is a nightmare trying to get any sense out of BT and Openreach whose systems seem designed to keep customers at bay. However, it seems that the core of the problem lies in the cables between the Winceby exchange and the box in the village. These are in a poor state of repair. The damage seems to date back years, but nothing is done to make repairs. It seems daft to spend money on new services when Openreach is unable to maintain the existing system.
#38
Picking up on an idea raised by David Radford on the "Lincoln to get superfast broadband" thread, it would certainly be an excellent idea for BT to install superfast fibre to some small villages such as Spridlington as well as to large conurbations like Lincoln.  The idea is similar to that of insisting a proportion of social housing is included on new housing developments over a minimum size.

BT would certainly get wide credit and publicity for leading the way in this manner as Vaughan Kitchin is doing, on a smaller scale for Linpop, on this website!
#39
I live in Little Hale near Sleaford and the speeds we get are awful. We are with Sky and we have to pay more for a broadband service that is worse than the cheaper service they offer which can offer upto 20Mbps compared to the less than 2Mbps. It would be really nice if the funding that has been provided for the improvement of Lincolnshires broadband would be provided to these smaller villages as it is highly unfair that the money gets spent on towns and larger villages whilst we get forgotten!
#40
I wanted to bring this post back up to the front because some time has passed since the last discussion here. In January the BDUK bid was officially approved by Government, which means we can finally start the process. We will be going to procurement in June of this year to contract out a supplier. We do recognise that some communities are suffering with poor connectivity. However, the Lincolnshire Broadband Plan aims to achieve superfast broadband for 90% of premises in Lincolnshire and a minimum of 2mbps for the remaining 10%. It is the council's intention, though, to continue to seek additional investment to secure universal superfast broadband across the county by 2017.

I would also strongly recommend that all communities encourage everyone in your area to register their interest for improved broadband on www.onlincolnshire.org. As I said, in June we will be going to procurement and the need to show there is demand for faster broadband will continue to be important. This will help provide potential suppliers with evidence that there is sufficient demand for better broadband provision, and help our negotiation with suppliers. The weekly newsletter that is sent to your email will provide you with more information about the Local Broadband Plan as it becomes available over the next six months.

There is a leaflet that you can download from the front page of the website that you can use to encourage others to register. However, if it is difficult for you to download due to your low speed, please let us know through the forum and I can contact you directly so we can post you some leaflets. I see that Conningsby has 12 registrations, so maybe this could be a way of getting those numbers up.

Jenny Evans
Onlincolnshire Team
#41
North Somercotes too, especially at peak times. I despair. I need it to run a website and do research. This village is not that small and has most amenities, apart from two of the vital ones: decent roads and fast broadband. Without these, enabling contact with the outside world, people under 70 will simply leave, and there's loads of houses up for sale here as I write. Villages like this will lose their vitality an die in the next decade unless something is done about the roads and the broadband.
#42
I totally agree with you John.
My community (Tan Vats, 5 miles outside Metheringham)is quite literally 8 houses. What chance have we got of EVER getting broadband?
BT, Virgin, and any other provider considers that we are economically unviable. i.e. they don't think there will be a rfeturn on their investment. Why should they? Whilever we are without broadband we PAY for the frustration of watching the egg timer roll over & over & over again, only to be cut off 5 minutes after we have connected. BT are coining it in from we smaller communuties who are still waiting for the technological revolution of the age to find us!!!!
#43
Even the larger villages are slipping behind. I'm in Brant Broughton. Our nearest telephone exchange, I believe, is in Fulbeck, the distance from which governs our broadband speeds available.  Amazingly Fulbeck has recently got super fast broadband, better than the 2meg speed they had previously :-) ??
Brant Broughton was 29th in the slowest 50 in the country last year and it doesn't appear to be any better now. Maybe we'll still be in the 10% who don't get the fast connections too. My provider is BT and it's less than half a meg.
#44
Hi Barry- I live within the Fulbeck exchange and share your frustrations. The exchange recently has been updated to ADSL 2+ which only really speeds up connections up to 4km from the exchange (the exchange is actually in Leadenham). Therefore only really Fulbeck, Leadenham and Welbourn see an improvement in speed.

The good news is that it's very likely that the exchange will be in the 90% because of it's size (1500 houses). The bad news is that I doubt we will see super fast broadband before mid 2014 as we don't live on the west side of the county.
#45
More than 12,600 homes and businesses in Fulbeck, Coningsby, Ruskington and Sudbrooke Park in Lincolnshire now have access to faster broadband.

As part of BTs roll-out of next generation broadband service delivered over copper lines, the four locations can get download speeds of up to 20 Mbps more than double the speed previously available from BT.


Well I live just outside Coningsby about 1 mile and my speed is only 3.3 and when I do a speedtest BT comes up as the slowest in the area, by fast I just wondered if they know what the word means, and of course I still get charge for upto 20 mbps

K Wilburn
#46
Sorry John, but "Yes" we are, oh, and by the way that should read, "Mbps"
#47
Hi Jenny, I live in Sutton St Edmund in South Lincolshire, just over the border from Cambridgshire, and what worries me is that our village is almost 5 klms from the exchange. That wouldn't be so bad if the cabinet was in our village, but it's 3 to 4 klms from the village, and only about 1 klm from the exchange which is in Cambridgeshire. Now I understand that exchanges that are a in different a county to the village that it serves will not be a problem  for the nuts, and bolts of this project, but, as this project is only about FTTC, and not FTTP,that wont get over the problem of when, and, if it all happens, our village will still have 3.5 klms of copper cable, and only 1 klm of fibre optic cable, which means the speed improvment will be little more than marginal, and we'll probably have to wait untill god knows when before we get fibre to the village, let alone fibre to the premises. My guess would be year 2020, if we're lucky.  
Mike Baker
#48
Hi Keith,   I too live just outside Coninsgby but a little further at Scrub Hill around two miles or so away, my connection gives me 250kbs, yes you are reading this correctly, that's a quarter of one MB.  I have seen no evidence of this miraculous upgrade at the Coningsby exchange as yet.  I have posted in more detail under the heading ' The forgotten Ones' on the general forum.
#49

West Deeping is another small village that technology has forgotten, 1-2.5mbps,and that is with a BT accelerator, and if that's not bad enough mobile phone coverage is usually confined to either the garden or one room in your house by a window!!
#50
I live 2 miles from Ashby and 7 miles from my BT exchange. ADSL does not exist here, my neighbours and I use dial-up or mobile broadband (a misnomer) to acheive speeds of up to 0.2mbps. We are told that there will be "superfast broadband for 90% of premises in Lincolnshire and a minimum of 2mbps for the remaining 10%... universal superfast broadband across the county by 2017".

That's good news- perhaps in 2017 I will be able to download weekly Microsoft updates in less than a couple of hours and actually make more use the internet! My suspicion is though that nothing will be done for my pocket community other than pushing a leaflet on satellite broadband through the letterbox. With the current offering at £300+ setup costs, £30 per month for 'up to' 2mbps and a download limit of 4Gb per month, this is hardly comparable even to BT ADSL, which I would absolutely love to have here even if I 'only' get 1mbps!
#51
Spot on John.I live in South Kelsey (near Market Rasen) and am struggling to run a business that's Internet based.
Some days I stare at the screen whilst pages build.



#52
I live in Keal Cotes. My connection speed averages at 128kb/s and sometimes gets as high as 156kb/s! Though regularly cuts out for several hours at a time or drops drops below 26kb/s.

Feels like I'm living in some far off future time when we get that top-end speed... Point is, I'm still charged the full fee for a broadband connection that I'm not receiving. Come on Lincolnshire online, get us a proper connection speed or lobby telco providers to lower their prices to us.

Just to put things in perspective. I have a small web development company. I work online only. Without an internet connection, I wouldn't be able to work because it's too far and too expensive to travel outside of Keal Cotes on a daily basis. I don't have a car so I'm reliant on bus services that run once per hour or two between 08:30 and 18:30 (might even be 17:30).

I'm not alone in relying on the Internet for life in Keal Cotes. Many people here shop online because it's too expensive and time consuming to go to a physical store. For us in Keal Cotes, since the cost of travel has increased so much, an an Internet connection is a vital part of life not a luxurious enhancement to it.
#53
My concern is that the focus is on the larger villages and towns. The 'sign up' idea will only polarise this focus. It doesnt take a degree in mathematics to realise that a small village/settlement of 100 houses or less is not going to get as many people signing up as a village of a larger population, so the small village is disadvantaged.

The solution for small villages promoted by Onlincolnshire, is the community solution, this is invariably expensive and is of concern when it comes to future-proofing. The other alternatives put forward are satellite or WIFI, both of which are expensive.

The problem is with how success is measured, the percentage of population reached, this again reinforces the focus on areas of large population. If the measure was the number of communities reached Lincoln will count as one and so would Keal Cotes or Normanby by Spital. The focus then will be getting the smaller places connected. Large towns just by their size is enough to encourage providers to invest in the faster technologies it is the smaller places that need supporting.
#54
Clearly the larger exchanges will be certain to be upgraded and the issue of sign ups on On Lincolnshire will only really effect those in the bottom twenty percent of exchanges.

The worrying thing for me is this- we are currently in mid 2012 and yet no real timetable for rollout has been formulated.

I live in one of the bigger village exchanges (Fulbeck 1500 houses) and still we have no information on when (vaguely) we will be updated to Infinity.
#55
Hi

I live in Gosberton and am on the Gosberton exchange. I feel a lot better off than most posters as I get about 6Mbs. My worry is that, in already getting that speed, we will be forgotten for upgrading to fibre. Tell me I am worrying needlessly!!
#56
Hi Douglas- with nigh on 1000 houses the Gosberton exchange should updated to fibre before 2015- probably sometime in 2014 would be my best guess.
#57
To all of the posters on this thread:

I am happy to take on the diagnosis and fix any underlying problems with your lines or bring any exchange congestion issues to the attention of BT Wholesale.

We find that most of the issues relating to slowdowns at peak times on ADSL1 (20CN) exchanges is due to the gradual withdrawal of spare capacity by the larger ISPs who are now making more of their money from ADSL2+/FTTC (21CN) exchanges.

Our backhauls have no congestion which ensures that we never drop a single packet of our customers' Internet traffic.

I have already extended a 'we fix your line or you don't pay' guarantee to Lee Hodson in another thread but anyone who is currently fed up with their ISP or hasn't been able to get anywhere with a slow and/or unreliable line, throw your telephone number and postcode to terry (@) spilsby dot net dot uk.

You won't receive a sales call or be added to any mailing lists but you will receive an e-mail which details what we think we could squeeze out of your line and an offer to do just that within 30 days of migrating your service to us; if we can't improve your line in that timescale, you can migrate out to another ISP and you don't have to pay us a penny.

If it helps at all, we have never had to pay out on that offer which is why I like to push it wherever I can... but to be utterly clear, we can't work miracles or break the laws of physics but we do push BT Wholesale very hard in getting a line fault recognized and making them get an Openreach engineer out to sort it ASAP.

We don't tie you to a 12-month or 18-month contract either; we only do 30-day rolling contracts because we want you to stay because you love our service and not because we've tied you down for a year or so!

Regards,
Terry Froy
Spilsby Internet Solutions
#58
I can't see any comments about Cowbit but I guess we are a small village where little will be done. Currently I have to pay for Sky Connect as the line /exchange is either small or antiquated or both and for £17 a month I generally get less than 1Mbps. When I first had broadband it was circa 5Mbps and only one other user in the street. Now every one has it we all have to share the same.
So what is happening. I see that on 3rd April a proposal was put to SHDC to provide funding but what has been agreed and why is there nothing about it on South Holland's web site?
Will the connection here just get slower and slower?
I can't even make a Skype call without it dropping out now.
Rod Turner
Cowbit,
#59
Without knowing a little more about your individual situation it is difficult to be certain what the problem is. Have you contacted Sky Connect? That must be your first call. With regards to the future for Cowbit our records suggest that it is a village with a population of about 900 people. Given that number we would anticipate that most of the the village would receive Superfast broadband by 2015 but until a contract is awarded later this year, and roll-out plans developed in early 2013, we cannot be certain. ,
#60
Thanks Jenny
Sky has been called on and off ever since installation but to little effect. Apparently it's to do with the Moulton Chapel exchange and that we are several miles from it - not Sky's problem but BT's.Of course my efforts to contact BT have failed as a non subscriber. But I'm not technical. I can tell you I have just completed a speed check and 1.1mbps is registering at this quiet time. All I know is my friends 4 miles away in Spalding get free Sky broadband and I pay £17 a month for a far inferior product.
Roll on more reasonable rates for 3G perhaps and we can then get rid of BT completely!
By the way as I said I can see nothing on SHDC site. Is the funding agreed yet?
Rod,
#61
Hi Rod,

According to South Holland, they have signed a Memorandum of Understanding in principle. They also said there will be something put on their website when there is more tangible information, although I believe that where we are with the campaign now, demand registration is crucial. Showing demand to potential suppliers is what they have asked. Perhaps South Holland should put how important demand registration is on their website?

Jenny,
#62
BT have been rather quiet on the 21CN front recently maybe because of the need for fibre. To be honest you aren't missing out on that much unless you live near to the exchange- the maximum possible speed increase is around double living next to the exchange.

Culverthorpe exchange only has 446 houses- although not tiny by Lincolnshire standards it likely won't be upgraded to fibre before 2014 at the earliest.,
#63
All this talk of higher speeds is all very well but here in Hagworthingham I get ony 0.5mgps. Some investment in upgrading these very slow areas would be welcome, but it seems impossible to discover the programme of improvement works. The Onlincolnshire website is quite unhelpful in this respect. Someone must know what is planned and how the money is being spent, but it seems this is not to be shared with the consumers!,
#64
Stuart,

The announcements about exchanges being upgraded this past year are from BT and they are doing the upgrades themselves. As for future plans for the BDUK project, LCC still hope to award a contract later this year with the roll-out commencing early next year. Therefore, early in 2013 onlincolnshire hopes to be in a position to share some of the roll-out plans with the communities across the county.

Hope this clarify's things.
Jenny

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#65
Hi all we live in Amber Hill and can't get broadband AT ALL. We have 'long line' issues as far as BT and Openreach are concerned - we are 7km from the nearest exchange which is Landrick. So for all of you who can get some broadband - I envy you. I have even got a dial up modem to try and get dial up but the line quality is so poor we are waiting more than a couple of minutes together pages, constantly time out and give up eventually! However the thing that is really getting up my nose is the quality of the landline itself. It is like calling Africa in the '70's. The Openreach man told us we have 3 different types of wire from our pole to the road and all of these effect quality of transmission but to get anything done about it I have to complain first, they won't take the initiative and just improve it- probably have to have the right form requesting to produce in triplicate etc. Get the feeling I am mad you betcha. Just because people want the peace and quiet doesn't mean they can be treated like 3rd class citizens. Watch out BT I am coming to you next. Please don't reply to this because I won't see it till next we'd when I come to cafe Nero for coffee. Call me n 01205 280191. Promise I won't bite. Thanks lisa bridge,
#66
I'll bump this thread as it does seem there still might be some interest in demand etc.

Demand (On Lincolnshire sign ups as a percentage in an exchange) is currently rather patchy. The top exchange is Burgh on Bain with 27.5% of premises signed up. Only ten exchanges in the county have broken the ten percent demand barrier as we stand at the start of September. The majority of exchanges have less than five percent demand.

Sounds gloomy but you could look at it this way (especially if you live in a small exchange)- it isn't going to take hundreds of On Lincolnshire registrations to get your exchange to the top of the pile. In short, as we are, it's all up for grabs as regards to demand stimulation.,
#67
All of the talk is just going nowhere, so we're doing our own thing.
As we are several miles form the exchange, no amount of tweaking there is going to help us. 0.6Mb is the norm. We need a more local POP.

We are going to distribute ADSL connections out of premises just down the road from an ADSL2 enabled exchange. A simple solution for the smallish number of people in our village that want faster broadband now - if or while BT get their act together, which I doubt they will any time soon.


It relies on having a high point to distribute from, but other than that it's pretty simple. We're using Ubiquiti equipment and maintaining a 1:1 relationship between the ADSL and the end user.  We may use SPA 3102 (at each end) to deliver phone over IP as well, allowing an existing (home) phone line to be cancelled.

OnLincolnshire should be helping groups with issues such as ability to place street hardware for broadband without planning permission. Apparently true, but try getting a definitive answer on it. We have kept all our infrastructure on private land to side-step this.

If anyone is interested in doing a similar thing, email me on john@jclighting.com
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#68
I agree with you John- the wall of silence from the powers that be in regards to the project s deafening.

I'm bemused by BT's decision to upgrade the Scotter exchange- it's not that large in BT's current roll out plans (3000 premises) and has only 16 people signed up from this site.

Is this a sign that BT/other providers will do their own thing as regards to the BDUK project and not take registrations into account? As someone who is in an exchange with significant registrations this development worries me a tad.,
#69
i think really what needs focusing on is the exchanges that BT won't upgrade for a while because they have only just ADSL2+. These are the ones that loose out all of the time. I delivered leaflets to every single premises in my village and got a measly 2 signups from the process. Now the reason behind this could actually be because internet speeds are not worth trying to log onto a computer to register. Also the village originally was just mainly farmers and elderly people but, a youthful population is increasing. More and more young families are coming in to the village. As time goes by having a much more improved broadband service would mean that future generations will not be left out! ,
#70
Agreed Edward, yet again Onlincolnshire pats itself on the back for the provision of fibre optic broadband to another relatively urban area, whilst the rest of rural lincolnshre has to make do with slow/noband.

This registering of interest seems to be a bit of a diversion to keep us occupied while we are being ignored.

It should not be what areas show an interest get it, we are all paying for it therefore we all should get it. Stop cogitating about and just roll it out.,
#71
Whilst we can understand the frustration of those of you who are waiting for better broadband it might be worth reflecting on one or two of the two comments above.  

First of all the recently announced roll outs to Skegness and Scotter are part of BT Openreachs commercial roll out. It is entirely independent of onlincolnshire but it was deemed to be a worthy news item for the web-site.

In May 2011 Norfolks Local Broadband Plan was one of the first to be approved by BDUK. Within that plan they were intending to procure in May 2012, award a contract in September 2012,  with work commencing in early 2013. Last month (September) Norfolk awarded the contract and, subject to state aid approval, will commence work in early 2013.  As a result the slippage is almost minimal and,  given that we are 7th out of 40 projects,  we will not be too far behind. That has always been our position.   We hope to issue our Invitation to Tender within the next week or so and announce the successful supplier later this year.

It is worth stressing that until the European Commission grants the UK government State aid approval for the initiative, neither ourselves nor any of the other 40 projects can proceed.  Once we get that approval we are in a position to move swiftly so we are doing everything humanly possible to prevent any delays.  BDUK are hopeful that the State aid approval will have been achieved by the end of October 2012.
Once State aid approval is received we are also aiming to provide a wireless internet service to parts of East Lindsey and Boston, with European funding that is only eligible for those areas.  We remain hopeful that 2013 will be the start of a process that will see major improvements to the broadband infrastructure in much of rural Lincolnshire.

Finally, it is worth stressing that stimulating demand registration was a condition of BDUKs award to the county of £14.3 million.  We are extremely grateful to well over 8000 businesses, communities, and residents that have supported our campaign to date, and continue to encourage as many people as possible to sign up.
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#72
Whilst I accept that it's entirely BT's commercial decision as to which exchanges they update it doesn't look good for OnLincolnshire when an exchange which has only 0.5%  registrations has a upgrade date set.

This sends out the message (rightly or wrongly) that the registrations aren't really integral to BT's plans- if they win a part of the contract (incredibly likely) they clearly will do what they want with the cash. After all, (from what I can ascertain) the two major suppliers can pull out at any time, leaving the project in peril.

I am concerned about the lack of options for those in the south and the west of the county who seem to be forgotten by providers. Very few wireless options exist for those living where I am- there seems to be an abundance for those in North Lincolnshire.

I hope that the ball starts moving very soon as regards to this project.,
#73
On your last point Edward, I can assure you that we all concur with you.,
#74
Sadly the supply of high speed internet revolves  around profit for the supplier. BT and other providers of cable will only connect areas offering a suitable return on investment. Unless the cost of infrastructure can be recovered over the medium to long term fast cable internet will remain a pipedream for many in rural Lincolnshire despite county council funding. Alternate solutions such as wireless hold out some hope.Information on county council plans for these technologies seems lacking on this web site but it has provided a good advertising forum for a certain wireless provider!,
#75
Good news for those who live in Grantham but what about the satellite exchanges which stem from the exchange? For instance, Ingoldsby. It has a Grantham (01476) number but will it be enabled?,
#76
Maybe it is time for the government to consider cable as part of the countrys infrastructure as roads and fund or match fund cable in rural areas. ,
#77
Re: Scunthorpe gets fibre 19/10/2012

Fanfare, dancing in the streets!

As suspected, those that have pretty usable broadband get even faster broadband.

Those that have nothing, or unusable broadband get . . . . . . . .

nothing.

Oh for a press release with good news about a small village!,
#78
I would still love to know what bearing On Lincolnshire sign ups will have on BT/Fujitsu's plans. On current evidence- not much!,
#79
Number Crunching
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Fast broadband for 90% of the UK sounds a lot, doesn't it? You might imagine that BT would work on the centres of population first. That's what they've always done, and you can't blame them as they're a private company.

That leave 6.2million without access to fast broadband. Or, put another way 6,200 communities  of 1000 people being left out.

That doesn't sound great, and you are *going* to be in that group.

So, imagine they provided broadband for 99% of the population. Wow, how impressive would that be?

Except that 1500 small communities (of 400 or so people) would still not be covered. Being in Lincolnshire, you are almost certainly  going to be in that group too!

If you live in a small community, don't hold your breath for decent broadband from this 'initiative'. We are less than 1% of the population, and you are almost irrelevant to BT and central government.

These are big numbers, and the power that be are misrepresenting them to us. £600,000,000 sound a lot - until you divide it by the number of people it has to help. Then it's about £100 each!

So:

Demand a date, Demand a Speed and Demand a Price from your MP, County Councillor and District Councillor. No support - no vote.

Write today and don't accept the fob off that they are spending $xxx million pounds. It an irrelevant number when you look at the number of people involved in the problem.



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#80
If you work it out fifty or so exchanges will be in the bottom ten percent. Any exchange with less than 850 premises are likely to be in the bottom ten percent by my calculation.,
#81
I teach at University, develop software with leading edge stuff and am involved in several international projects.  I have several PC's at home with "kitchen sink" software installations. Yet abysmally slow broadband stifles my creativity and productivity.

Every week, it takes hours (gigabytes) just to update my systems from Microsoft's online update service - during which time my internet access is reduced to a useless trickle.
 
I use Onetel and get about 1 megabit download speed. For example, right now, I'm waiting for a 3.5 hour download to finish. (Installation of Microsoft SQL Server 2012).

I read many "management speak" comments by a variety of people including public servants, representatives of commercial companies and politicians that show that they just don't get it.

For example the concept of "footfall" driven provision of high speed broadband is just plain wrong. The underlying message is "Well we can't make a profit from the few folks who live in small villages such as Stickford."

High speed broadband is a public good just like roads and the Universal Service obligation of the Royal Mail.

Imagine what would happen if someone said things like:
"The footfall in Stickford (substitute your own small village name) is not high enough to support a mail delivery service so you will have to collect your mail from the nearest main post office which is 7 miles away)."
or
"The footfall in Stickford (substitute your own small village name) is not high enough to support a road into your village so you will have to park your car three miles away adjacent to the nearest road."

The folks in places such as South Korea got the message years ago and installed 100 Megabits/second broadband everywhere.

Now they have a real "digital community" with companies like Samsung making chips for the rest of the world.

Civilization is made possible by communication.
It's time we elected politicians who understand that and are prepared to act on it.

Ken
   
  

enough     ,
#82
Because Spilsby can now finally get fast broadband, does this mean the smaller outside villages can too?
I'm in GT Steeping, you can see the Spilsby lights at night, I can only imagine how nice it'd be to have fast internet! ,
#83
More 'Good News' - BT is rolling out fibre to businesses in two thirds of the country and might have some time free after that to do something about broadband for 90% of the population.

This is a really simple question:

When are rural communities going to have some good news from this initiative?

Even the humble ADSL2+ roll out is no use if you are a long way from the exchange. Nothing I have heard to date addresses those communities - other than a nebulous statement that everyone will have at least 2MB. How? When?,
#84
I posted a question on 18/10/12.

Is there any chance that someone will answer it? Or is it too difficult for you?,
#85
Hi Keith- looking at the Ingoldsby exchange it only has 647 premises.

This would put it (by my calculations) in the bottom ten percent of the county by about two hundred premises.,
#86
Hi Kirk- as John has alluded to Spilsby has only been updated to ADSL 2+ which essentially means that speeds will only increase for those who live close to the exchange.

I would like OnLincolnshire to explain that ADSL 2+ is not super fast broadband at all and to stop trumpeting it's roll out.

ADSL 2+ is nothing more than a slight infrastructure upgrade which typically only benefits those who live close to the exchange and can already get quick speeds ie those not visiting this site.,
#87
In response to the question Keith posted on the 2nd November any exchange upgrades are being undertaken by BT as part of their own commercial rollout. It is totally independent of the onlincolnshire project. Any questions in the first instance should be directed to BT or your ISP. As we have said in previous e-mails we cannot tell you for certain which exchanges will be upgraded in the future but hope to be able to do so in early 2013. You may also want to look at my message on the 4/11/2012 for the reasons why this is the case,
#88
Regarding John's post above the situation is the same as that outlined on my post on the 4/10/2012. The reality is that we still do not have State Aid Approval. Once we get it we will most certainly let you know.,
#89
How does this affect those applying for the DEFRA supported funding? ie Tallington!,
#90
The 'Minimum of 2Mb by 2015' Commitment

Let's look at the 'everyone else will get at least 2Mb by 2015' commitment and apply it to people who currently get less than 1Mb and often less than 512Kb. I am suspicious of this claim, because the technical  & commercial solutions available do not support it - in other words it sounds like a lie.

The reason these people are not currently getting 2Mb+ is due to distance from the exchange or cabling quality. Even the most humble tertiary exchange, such as Winceby, has backhaul to support ADSL1 already. If you are next to the exchange you get 6Mb+ and several people do. (Interestingly, it may suit BT for most people not to get even 2Mb broadband on this type of exchange as the backhaul is probably too small at present.)

While you can replace the cable to people houses when it is badly degraded (although BT Openreach generally don't), if you are a certain distance from the exchange that will be your limiting factor - even with new cables.

The commitment to a minimum of 2Mb indicates that fibre to the (a new) cabinet(s) is *not* being considered, otherwise they'd be promising much higher speeds.

So, Question 1: What is going to change between now and 2015 to address the issue of long/poor lines?

What would give some confidence is a statement explaining *how* these sub 1Mb properties are going to get affordable 2Mb+ with a reasonable data allowance, when they can't now.

By glossing over the details, an impression is given of some 'magical solution' to make the existing lines work or an alternative being deployed. Making the existing lines work (at distance) looks unlikely as ADSL2+ is already stretching communications technology to the limit. BT have not long rolled out 21CN which you have to assume is their best effort for the current multicore copper cabling.

Alternatives
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Satellite.
This is costly, suffers high latency, requires a large (90cm) dish with a clear (no trees) view of the satellite and has quite stringent usage caps. If satellite is the 'magical solution', why 2Mb? Tooway services already run much faster than this (assuming you don't want a 2GB per month data usage cap, which is no use for most people). Tooway do not have a product that has a reasonable usage allowance without faster speeds. Also why wait? It's available now. Just tell people that's the plan for them.


Radio - non mobile
This has quite high infrastructure costs and, of course, you have to get a feed to it in the first place. In hilly and tree covered areas, there are significant technical difficulties in maintaining reliable connections, both for the backhaul and for the customer premises segments. No commercial operator has really made this work in truly rural areas, which are the areas that typically have the [line] problem we are looking at here. Radio works best in flat, treeless areas or small urban areas due to the frequencies used and power restrictions at those frequencies.

Mobile 3G, 4G
3G has not been rolled out into many areas affected by very slow broadband. There is no reason to suspect that operators will roll out 4G services to non-profitable areas ahead of cities. Also, and more importantly,  mobile data is not meant to be used as the main source of internet and this is reflected in the tariff and data usage caps. Its benefit is the portability and this is charged at a premium to cabled services. Even the most limited BT offering has a 10GB per month cap. Mobile is more like 2GB (or even less).

It all sounds very, very vague to me. Like there is no plan. 2015 will come and go. Those who used to get 5Mb will now get 16Mb. Those that used to get 16Mb will now get 38Mb. Those that used to get 256Kb will now get 256Kb.

Ho hum......

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#91
BT & the Government state its all down to commercial reasons and no demand for the high speed products in rural areas - the trouble is, of course there is no demand as we don't have it! if the product was there people would use it.

Ultimately we all pay a fair price for broadband and line rentals but yet receive a substandard service compared to larger market areas... which really means our payments are subsidising these larger markets.

I personally would not have an issue with our poor performing connections if we were paying a reduced price, for the reduce service.... but that wont ever happen.

We need more alternative connections available to use, i.e. I have a 3 mifi and get great speeds using that, in fact faster than my adsl.... but I would not dream on using that all the time due to the GB cap/cost - maybe our MP's and onlincolnshire should look at the 3g/LTE option as a operator with great deals, as surely that could be rolled out faster across the whole of the county.,
#92
I agree Andrew that some type of wireless/4G solution would be ideal but usage caps are a sticking point.

The demand stimulation phase of the project will stay open to the end of January so don't expect any real info on the project before February.

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#93
Hi Ken,

In answer to your question above; generally speaking, all publicly funded broadband projects will require State Aid approval.

The UK government has set up a process where they seek umbrella approval from Europe for the whole country.  Each project would then be certified as falling within the approval by our government (via Broadband Delivery UK).

There has been national publicity recently that approval from Europe had been delayed and is now expected at the end of November; that timing will impact on all publicly funded broadband projects.  We understand this includes community projects funded by DEFRA.,
#94
One of the key issues that I haven't seen addressed here is the ever increasing size of update downloads that are required to keep a system up to date.
Even something like online shopping which is a major  help to rural communities in this world of ever increasing fuel costs, can sometimes take a disproportionate amount of time, with web designers loading more and more content in pages to take advantage of good download speeds. Indeed I see a time when the only way to 'surf the web' rurally will be via a mobile phone with it's cut down page sizes.
The use of dial up as a means of access will be totally eclipsed by the data volumes involved and those communities and businesses that are deprived of better service will be pushed aside.
So really speed isn't just about loading pages faster and being able to take advantage of web based media services (TV and Music) its about being able just to keep web access.,
#95
If some villages can get lottery money to install 'hubs', why can't other villages (eg Colsterworth) get reasonable (not even high)speed broadband. It's a joke when I watch all the money spent on advertising Infinity etc and we can't get it ...,
#96
FRISKNEY is stuck 2006 we had asdlmax which took us to 4.5meg wow since then broadband has proceded to increase speed around the country but not here no one is interested in upgrading rural lincolnshire cos we all farmers and dont know about the internet, well i have news for you i am a server vendor who needs faster internet i spoke to bt they said ask your council about bduk so i hunted around but tbh they need to give the answer much clearer than a map with colours if i move 5 miles to wainfleet i can get 20 meg easy from any supplier i want but where i am i theres is no LLU or anything so it all BT controlled and the main bit of my complaint is if your exchange is LLU enabled you can get faster broadband cheaper than what i have to pay now £30 a month for 4,5 meg come on llc lets see some real plans and areas which can expect changes and how long before you think they will take place,
#97
Tim,

Lincolnshire's BDUK Broadband project is progressing, there is an update on the timeline here www.onlincolnshire.org - look towards the bottom of the page for the update.

Lincolnshire County Council are interested in upgrading rural Lincolnshire as we do reaslise there are lots of rural businesses that struggle with their broadband connectivity. Please keep checking back to our website for updates, at this time we do not know of the plans or which areas will be upgraded when.

Jenny
Onlincolnshire Team,
#98
When I look at these forums I start to get a bit irritated.  There is continual moaning on why cannot we get faster broadband, our village is a long way from the exchange.
It seems like the general impression is "we will sit on our bums waiting for Lincolnshire CC to roll out the promised land via BDUK, and moan about it in the meantime".
If broadband speeds are really such an issue, which should be a spur to village broadband dependent businesses. Then do some research to find alternatives, some of which can be seen here.

In the North of the County Hemswell Cliffe, Gainsborough, and a bit south) there is Vaughn Kitchen's LINPOP wireless option.  
In our village (5.5 miles from the Long Bennington exchange) we now have another wireless BB provider Ineedbroadband Ltd - www.ineedbroadband.co.uk - as a new provider.

Recently I upgraded my 2 way satellite to 18Mbps down and 4 Mbps up. Looking at the prices for instal and equipmentfrom the ISP for new business, at a price less expensive than when I put it in 18 months ago.
My discussions with the ISPs technical people say this will go to 40 Mbps 6 Mbps up down sometime in the next 18 months. Moreover, 2 way satellite is not as expensive as the general impression suggests (putting a lie to that rumour).
The downside of satellite is the latency (not good for gaming) and the usage limits. Mine is 26 GB.
The speeds and latency of wireless is OK for gaming (20 to 40 ms), and Skype conversations run smoothly on all systems.
So, In Summary: Don't moan do something about is in conjunction with LCC.,
#99
I agree Tim, are you connected to the Wainfleet exchange Tim?  Get in touch with me couttsey@gmail.com,
#100
, The problem with "other" technologies is that they are prohibitively expensive or not available in the area. As I have highlighted before, the south/west of the county has very few options as regards to alternative connections- satellite is great but only if you are a light user.

From what I can glean from the intial rollout plans those on the western fringes of the county will likely have to wait whilst the rollout takes place from the coast (for no real quantifiable reason).
#101
I agree with your comment Edward.
The wireless BB seems to be coming in from the North of the County, now reaching Lincoln's Cliff Villages, and from Nottingham and in to the Vale of Belvoir.
That means your choices are limited.
Regarding satellite, as I posted before, the LIE that is expensive is untrue. Moreover, although the monthly costs are higher than ADSL, they are still reasonable(provided latency is not an issie). So, £24.99 per month gets you 8 Mbps down and 2 Mbps up with a usage cap of 8 GB. This is considerably more than being available for "light usage". 8 GB is for more medium use, and allows considerable downloads of MS security patches and 110 MB graphics driver updates.
I use 4 desktops (old ones, one over 13 years old - a server) to do scientific prepossessing for a number of distributed computing projects. My usage limit of 26 GB is fine, but I very rarely exceed 16 GB and I am considered a heavy user.
If, however, your main plan is to download and watch films (Netflix, iPlayer, ITTV Player, etc) then satellite may be beyond you.
In my experience multiple song and movie downloads is usually specialist (the young), and it is the cost of the song and movie purchase (assuming it's legit) which is costly, not the satellite. ,
#102
Your comments regarding satellite broadband are noted, but this is old technology and is not really suitable for those using the latest tech.

People no longer sit at a PC surfing the net and downloading the occasional file. There is: online gaming, software purchased online and downloaded, gaming consoles and smart TVs connected to the internet. Films and TV programmes are now viewed over the internet.

The way the internet is used has and is changing, satellite does not provide an affordable option for the way a modern household uses broadband.
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#103
Ian

Now this is where you and I disagree.

ADSL (whether high speed or not) is no different to fast satellite, where speaking over Skype to colleagues in other countries, and downloading films, music, online purchases, etc, take place.  The only thing satellite is not fit for, because of latency, is online gaming of the shoot'em'up or racing variety.

The mobile part of the modern trend you are alluding to comes in the form of using smart phones, tablets and laptops.  All of these either make use of home WiFi, driven from my satellite BB or your ADSL, or 3G mobile cells in to home or on the move.

NOTE: 4G mobile networks will be a good year or two before it pops up on main stream mobile networks (I currently use EE), so fast downloads (>3+ Mbps) will be a dream for at least 18 months and then only if you are prepared to pay a premium.

So, as you can see the way the Internet is changing (including FaceBook and Twitter) is catered for using either ADSL, FFTC, two way satellite or the wireless BB providers now coming in to the county (LINPOP and Ineedbroadband Ltd).

The wireless options are better for gaming, individually or online, which ever catches your fancy, as the latency/ping is usually around 20 ms as against ADSL @ 40 ms.

One other point, assuming broadband is supplied by BT ADSL variations of back haul, until FFTC.

The ADSL signal is attenuated rapidly as the user moved away from the exchange. This applies to ADSLMax (up to 8 Mbps). Close to the exchange the full speed is available.  But, by the time you move to 8 Km from the exchange the download speeds are below 1 Mbps. When exchanges are ADSL2+ enabled (up to 20 Mbps) then the same applies.  Unfortunately, the ADSL2+ signal degrades quicker than the older ADSL signal did with distance.

The only rescuing hope is that all exchanges are 21CN Fibre Enabled, and that the fibre extends from the exchange to the local cabinet. At that point 2 way stellite, even at 40 Mbps down and 6 Mbps up will be out matched. Hopefully this is what will be eventually achieved between BDUK and Lincolnshire CC.

Regarding your assumption I sit in front of a PC downloading stuff. I run the PCs on distributed net projects. Where the pre-processing of project work is done and the results returned on a 24/7/365 basis.  Indeed I have done such work for over 13 years, sending the results to Berkeley University and other projects teams (usually University based). These including such work as studying the malaria vector, researching the structure of our Milkyway galaxy, seeking out rotating quasars and evaporating black holes, amongst other projects.

I consider this work, mainly done on my high spec GPUs rather than multi-core CPUs, is useful and a bit more enlightening and productive than always concentrating on music and films.,
#104
lcc have known about this funding coming for a while now and we hearing alot of figures banded around 57  million to upgrade lincolnshire 4 million here but LCC open your eyes we need a proposed (not finalised) list of exchanges you intend to work on, since i last posted i have had a reply from the chairman and brom bt broadband and there answer was the same the exchange doesnt make enough money to warrent a upgrade well hello how long has the exchange been there and how much profit has it made bt over the years, some one need to remind these large companies we arent 2nd class citizens we we deserve the same as everyone else, I think this would make a really good legal test case but that can wait until LCC publish some sort of list so we can see who wins the LCC lottery and who doesn't.

My question for LCC is this when you finally got told yes you can have this money to upgrade 90% of the exchanges how did you decide who got it and who didn't or who's more worth and who isnt ?

i look forward to the answer next post from me will include a reply from my MP regarding the lincs broad situation,
#105
I like the update regarding where the business side of things stand but lets see where you are upgrading and make it interactive with how many have tendered to do your exchange then later add a date of possible start, Thats the update we want to see,
#106
Hi Tim,

On 20th november EU State Aid was finally signed off. As a result, we will be in a position to sign a contract with our preferred supplier at the end of March following a Tender process. At that time, we can announce which exchanges and corresponding postcodes will be upgraded.

Levels of upgrade speeds will be decided by engineering and technical principles.

We are unable to comment on BTs normal business decisions given their PLC status


Owen Williams,
Programme Support Officer
Lincolnshire Broadband Programme
Lincolnshire County Council
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#107
, Hi Tim,

Going on sheer numbers if you live in an exchange below around 850 premises you will be in the bottom "ten percent" by my calculations. Obviously that's not a solid figure but it's a useful guideline. I agree that LCC/whoever wins the contract needs to justify their decision on an exchange by exchange basis.

BT have bid for a chunk of the 4G so clearly their strategy is to roll out wireless/4G where FTTC is not viable. 4G is to be rolled out next summer so hopefully by this time next year some of Lincolnshire will have seen an increase in speeds.
#108
We have the stupidity of the bt exchange for Cranwell Village being situated within the security area for RAF Cranwell so even bt have to go through military security to access their exchange.  We hear so much about superfast broadband being made available to this and that area.  All we want is an acceptable speed much faster than 1.5 megs especially as we pay the same each month as folk who enjoy 20 megs ???

Vernon Fewtrell,
#109
Well guys and gals I am afraid the small villages, farms and outlining houses in Lincolnshire will be ignored for ever (unless new technology comes along) simply because BT will not provide fibre and new broadband cabinets near or to them.

Why will BT not provide.......money..... because the business case simply does not cost in. Sad fact. I also dislike the emails beng sent by Lincolnshire CC "ONLINCOLNSHIRE making the broadband connection" How many are employed by the CC to pump out this drivel as if they and not the suppliers are providing Broadband. They are simply re-writing INFORMATION that BT have in their roll out plan. More waste of rate payers money paying councils to send this information.  

You can talk to BT, your IP provider, your council, OnLincolnshire, your local MP and even your wife and it will make no difference.

There now I have got my "grumpy old man moan" off my chest.

Mick Middleton
Nocton villager as well as a retired BT employee with 35 years experience on the copper and fibre network



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#110
Hi Bryn and Owen

It is great that BT continues, at a pace, to provide superfast broadband to customers in some larger conurbations in Lincolnshire.  However, to install fibre optic cable to those of us who live/work in small villages will never be commercially viable for infrastructure providers.  I suggest that the £50 Million+ of funding available in Lincolnshire is precisely to support/subsidize faster broadband to rural villages such as Spridlington on the Welton Exchange and not for larger market towns etc which will be upgraded anyway as they are commercially viable.

Please fight our corner!

Dave Clough
Broadband Champion for Welton area including the tree lined, radio opaque, village of Spridlington.,
#111
does the funding upgrade 90% of people or 90% of exchanges

people would mean those where the bt lines arent good enough to carry the extra speed wouldnt get it

and 90%  of exchanges is self explanitary
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#112
Tim - it is neither. It is 90% of premises in Lincolnshire.,
#113
@David Clough

My thoughts exactly! I live in Newtoft which also happens to be rather stealthy when it comes to Fixed Wireless coverage. I have enquired with three separate local Wireless ISP's and all have stated they cannot provide me with a connection, despite the transmitters being within range...must just be the geography of our locale prohibiting line of sight in some way.

I really hope the funding is used to help finance an improved internet connection for small communities like ours. As you say, the larger towns are likely to make a quicker return on the investment than say Newtoft which only has around 120 properties.

According to the SamKnows website the Wickenby exchange only provides a service to about 580 properties, so I imagine it is not likely to feature on Openreach's roll out list anytime soon.

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#114
Perhaps broadband speed should relate to speed. If your speed is 500 or less it should be free. 2 meg say £2 a month. When it reaches 20 megs plus say £12? Who is going to enforce it please??? Got any better suggestions?,
#115
so the 10% is premises based so my understanding is this then:-

onlinc will be upgrading every exchange in lincolnshire for faster broadband but those who live far from the exchange who get limited or no broadband now will make up the 10% and will get a minimum 2 meg after the upgrades,  Those close to the exchange will get a speed increase.

is this correct ???,
#116
Hi Tim,

The provision of Superfast Broadband across Lincolnshire will be achieved by the use of a number of technical solutions.

However, it is anticipated that the majority of the deployment of Superfast will be achieved by the use of Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC/VDSL) technology.

This technology will provide very fast speeds close to the cabinet, but as with all solutions that involve elements of copper cable, distance plays a significant role in dictating final speed.

There are various graphs available on the internet that show this relationship, but it should be emphasised that the deployment will, where feasible,  look at ways of cutting down these distances.

When we get the final responses to the Invitation to tender, we will have a much clearer picture.

Owen Williams
Programme Support Officer
Lincolnshire Broadband Programme
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#117
, Hi Tim,

The short answer is no, not all exchanges will be upgraded to super fast broadband looking at what is going on in other parts of the country.

Wireless solutions will likely be used to fill in the gaps, be that fixed wireless or 4G.

Not long to go now before the plans become clearer and we finally (after many months of no firm information) get dates for exchange upgrades.
#118
thanks for the reply mr owen i do know the fttc option has been very very successful in ither parts of the country a friend of mine in wales has this option applied to his cabinet he was toldto expect a good speed increase as he is approx 500 metres from the cabinet his final speed even though he had copper wire to the house was 80 meg broadband which even bt engineers was surprised by.

when you sent the tender out to the companies who applied how did you advise the tendering companies to decide which exchanges/cabinets would be done what was the Criteria they had to work towards as im confused how this 10% will be made up, i guessed it would be those at a distance from the cabinet/exchange but mr myers says this isnt right so can we have some info on how you reached the 10% please,
#119
Not long to go now before the plans become clearer and we finally (after many months of no firm information) get dates for exchange upgrades.


thanks for the reply and this comment above why cant you release a provisional exchange list that are in the plans to update with dates to be confirmed like bt does on there websites ,
#120
sorry i should have added people arent worried about the dates they are unimportant you have explained this is a 2 year project and people understand that what is important to everyone here is are they going to get the upgrade regardless of type, I dont see what onlinc or LCC has to gain from keeping the  propsed list a secret ,
#121
Hi Tim,

Please see latest update here - http://www.onlincolnshire.org/news-events/project-news/274

The timelines have not changed since this was published, we are still expecting responses to the 'Invite to Tender' at the end of January, until that happens there is unfortunately no further information available.,
#122
Finally i think i have some info for all users of the forum here goes:-

fttc as we know is fibre to the cabinet this can be routed along the original copper lines (no digging up the roads) the original copper lines have to stay due to fibre not being used for voice calls so once the  fibre reaches the cabinet the signal then goes down copper wire the signal is known as vdsl now vdsl is only effective if you live with 4km/4000m of the cabinet after 4000 meters you speed would be the 2 meg as on lincs have said the closer to the cabinet you live the better the speed will be.

next thing i found out about these tenders is if you live in a area where you area long way from the exchange/cabinet you will be told that   there are 2 extra choices satellite or 4g as we know in the wolds the mobile phone recpetion isnt good at all so satellite would be the way to go for you.

currently 17% of lincolnshire fall in the under 2 meg speed band 7% will see a increase due to the fttc and the distance to the cabinet/exchange the remaining 10% will get the minimum 2 meg but due to all the factors mentioned above your speed at this time cannot be increased

onlins may take in to consideration  the distance  from the exchange to the cabinet and the amount of properties it services that i cant find out until its released by onlincs  in feb,
#123
when the fttc is installed will LCC/OnLincs be offering what other council have been offering there premises that is for a one off fee of between 150 gbp and 200gbp paid by the customer fttp would be avaiable and is the info i obtained from a different council with a tender above this post basically correct,
#124
There are no plans for LCC to offer this facility and even if they wished to do so, they couldnt on the basis that they are not licenced to provide Telecoms infrastructure.

However, I do believe BT are starting to offer a product called Fibre on Demand this year. This is currently being piloted so prices are not yet confirmed, but initial information from BT suggests a cost of £1500 for customers 500meters from the cabinet (this would increase for those further away and decrease for those closer to the cabinet).

As for your query regarding solutions for areas 'a long way from the exchange/cabinet'; these proposed solutions will vary between BT and Fujitsu as well as between different Local Authorities so it is impossible for LCC to say if this information is correct.,
#125
, It would seem odd if the winner of the tender stated that those 4km away from the exchange were to excluded from the FTTC plans. Much more likely is to upgrade whole exchanges. To upgrade an exchange to FTTC where there only 100 premises spread out would be folly whilst large sections of villages were left languishing without FTTC.
#126
no one is saying that the tender people have said more than 4km its a tech fact that fttc means you still use your copper line with the new fttc vdsl is sent down the copperline to your premises but vdsl is only viable in reality up to 2 km from the exchange/cabinet after that the speed starts to drop off once you hit 4km the speed would be approx 2 meg, So for those who are  along way from the exchange/cabinet wouldnt really benefit from the fttc due to the limits of the copper cable transmitting vdsl. there is some info out there regrading vdsl please read about it until fttp is avaiable those at a distance from the exchange/cabinet wont see a vast speed increase via broadband,
#127
Tim I can assure you that the Onlincolnshire team is well aware of the technical issues relating to FTTC, FTTP, wireless, satellite and 4G etc. The current Programme Manager has worked on major broadband infrastructure projects all over the world and this experience will be put to good effect when we get into discussions with the suppliers.,
#128
Jenny - I do hope your Programme Manager has looked at our special circumstances here in Tallington and will raise the question early enough for us to go the DEFRA way IF no supplier is in a position to (willingly OR technically)help us! We await Cambridgeshire's tendering decisions as they may have a supplier on the other side of the County border that can help us as FTTC is not an option here...,
#129
can you give us an approx date for the release of more detailed info please

and edward thats not what i said its down to the limitions of the copper line to the house have read bt  use one of the best fibre cables and they have 3 speed packages up to 100 meg for those really close to the exchange/cabinet,
#130
According to today's OnLincolnshire email, the average speed across the UK is 6.3 mbps and increasing.
Here at Welton le Wold I am still getting  0.45 download and 0.23 upload, despite having fibre to the roadside cabinet. The problem is that this community of about 50 homes lies some 2 km from the cabinet, to which we are connected by copper and aluminium.
I found much better than this on a recent tour of rural Malaysia.
How soon can we hope for over 0.5 mbps?
2015?,
#131
Mr Taylor if you have FTTC already you will need a fibre based internet agreement not a standard broadband for instance if you wtith bt you would need the infinity to feel the effect of the fibre,
#132
Tim, we are still on track from our original schedule of late March for any plans from the preferred supplier. At that time the website will be re-launched and people can find out what is happening in their area through the website. ,
#133
Were in the final stages of appointing a private sector partner to make the planned improvements, and will be releasing further details in March. Work will begin later this year.,
#134
Just to let you know that the Fulbeck exchange now has an LLU provider in TalkTalk. Should make the price of broadband here a lot cheaper.
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